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		<title>Comment on &#8220;You get nothing for a pair . . .&#8221; by UKSC Blog Essay competition &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>UKSC Blog Essay competition &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out more: Visit http://ukscblog.com/a-uksc-blog-competition where you can see the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on FOI requests via Twitter – a Supreme problem by Law Review (1): 2 / 16th February 2012 &#171; Charon QC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Law Review (1): 2 / 16th February 2012 &#171; Charon QC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Or.. perhaps you fancy making an FOI request via twitter  to The Supreme Court?  The UK Supreme Court blog has this review: FOI requests via Twitter – a Supreme problem [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Or.. perhaps you fancy making an FOI request via twitter  to The Supreme Court?  The UK Supreme Court blog has this review: FOI requests via Twitter – a Supreme problem [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Case Comment: Rabone &amp; Anor v Pennine Care NHS Trust [2012] UKSC 2 by abhinav sekhri</title>
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		<dc:creator>abhinav sekhri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m  a law student in india and am not entirely familiar with the framework of the 1983 Legislation. But given Art 2 of the ECHR reads &#039;state&#039;, i was wondering if the logic would still hold if the hospital was not a NHS Trust as was in the case at hand. Would there be a different outcome if the same took place in a private hospital?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m  a law student in india and am not entirely familiar with the framework of the 1983 Legislation. But given Art 2 of the ECHR reads &#8217;state&#8217;, i was wondering if the logic would still hold if the hospital was not a NHS Trust as was in the case at hand. Would there be a different outcome if the same took place in a private hospital?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Case Preview: Sugar (Deceased) v BBC &amp; Anor by Cathryn Hopkins, Olswang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathryn Hopkins, Olswang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UKSC has announced that judgment in &lt;em&gt;Sugar&lt;/em&gt; will be handed down next Wednesday 15 February.  We will be publishing a summary of the judgment on 15 Feb and  case comment shortly after, so watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UKSC has announced that judgment in <em>Sugar</em> will be handed down next Wednesday 15 February.  We will be publishing a summary of the judgment on 15 Feb and  case comment shortly after, so watch this space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;You get nothing for a pair . . .&#8221; by Anthony Fairclough</title>
		<link>http://ukscblog.com/a-uksc-blog-competition/comment-page-1#comment-19435</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Fairclough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be misunderstanding your question; we covered the swearing in of Lord Reed - here: http://ukscblog.com/lord-reed-sworn-in-as-supreme-court-justice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be misunderstanding your question; we covered the swearing in of Lord Reed &#8211; here: <a href="http://ukscblog.com/lord-reed-sworn-in-as-supreme-court-justice" rel="nofollow">http://ukscblog.com/lord-reed-sworn-in-as-supreme-court-justice</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;You get nothing for a pair . . .&#8221; by Frank Ge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Ge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Editor,

May you introduce the proceeding of the swearing of the new Justice of the UKSC?

Thanks!</description>
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<p>May you introduce the proceeding of the swearing of the new Justice of the UKSC?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Case Preview: Sugar (Deceased) v BBC &amp; Anor by Dr Pat Hinton</title>
		<link>http://ukscblog.com/sugar-deceased-appellant-v-british-broadcasting-corporation-and-another-respondents/comment-page-1#comment-19294</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Pat Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When are we likely to get a decision/judgement?</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Judgment: R v Gnango [2011] UKSC 59 by Michael Bohlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bohlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Lord Kerr got it right in my view. 

The majority view means in effect that a person can be guilty of their own attempted murder i.e. of their attempted suicide via JCE despite the fact that there is no offence of attemtping to kill oneself anymore under English law - something which is overlooked when the judgment refers to the old common law. 

So if the defendant tried to shoot himself he would not be committing an offence and arguably there would be no room for the application of transferred malice, either, if he hits a third person, because he has no mens rea for murder in the first place. Why he should become liable because someone else shoots at him is illogical. I think the real reason for the majority view can be found in para 61 and paras 68 - 69: public policy.

Note, however, that the German Federal Court of Justice in 1956 decided in a somewhat similar case (BGHSt 11, 268)that a person can be guilty of their own attempted murder. The case may be interesting from a comparative perspective - but note also that the German law does not generally support the doctrine of transferred malice:

P1, P2 and P3 had formed a gang that had been burgling houses and businesses for some time. They were each of them always armed with guns and had the standing agreement that they would shoot on anyone trying to follow and arrest them; they realised that they might kill somebody in the process and accepted this risk if only they could avoid detection (dolus eventualis - conditional intent). One night they tried to break into the house of V through a window; V awoke and shut the window in their face shouting at them, whereupon they fled. P1 heard steps behind him and saw a person running towards him, who he thought was V following him. In fact, it was P2. According to their agreement, P1 fired at the pursuer but did only cause damage to the clothes of P2. For P1 this was an irrelevant mistake of identity, and the BGH argued that because of the agreement to shoot at anyone following them, P3 was also bound by the conditional intent as to a possibly lethal result. For him, consequently, the same argument applied, because the basic intention of P1 to kill could be attributed to P3 by way of the agreement, and for both of them, the identity of the victim was irrelevant for a charge of attempted murder. However, the BGH also found P2 guilty of the attempted murder of himself, despite the fact that German law at that time did not provide for the criminalisation of harm to oneself, such as suicide. Had P2 tried to kill himself, he would not have committed a crime. The BGH treated the acts of P1 as an impossible attempt vis-à-vis the liability of P2, and to such a - generally punishable - attempt P2 could be a party under § 25(2) of the German Criminal Code, because for him, too, the identity of the victim was legally irrelevant. As long as the actions of one principal were within the scope of acts generally foreseen in the common agreement – shooting at pursuers – any mistake or error of one of them that was irrelevant to him would be irrelevant to the others. 

For more details and a critique of the decision see my Principles of German Criminal Law, Hart, 2009, p. 166 f.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Lord Kerr got it right in my view. </p>
<p>The majority view means in effect that a person can be guilty of their own attempted murder i.e. of their attempted suicide via JCE despite the fact that there is no offence of attemtping to kill oneself anymore under English law &#8211; something which is overlooked when the judgment refers to the old common law. </p>
<p>So if the defendant tried to shoot himself he would not be committing an offence and arguably there would be no room for the application of transferred malice, either, if he hits a third person, because he has no mens rea for murder in the first place. Why he should become liable because someone else shoots at him is illogical. I think the real reason for the majority view can be found in para 61 and paras 68 &#8211; 69: public policy.</p>
<p>Note, however, that the German Federal Court of Justice in 1956 decided in a somewhat similar case (BGHSt 11, 268)that a person can be guilty of their own attempted murder. The case may be interesting from a comparative perspective &#8211; but note also that the German law does not generally support the doctrine of transferred malice:</p>
<p>P1, P2 and P3 had formed a gang that had been burgling houses and businesses for some time. They were each of them always armed with guns and had the standing agreement that they would shoot on anyone trying to follow and arrest them; they realised that they might kill somebody in the process and accepted this risk if only they could avoid detection (dolus eventualis &#8211; conditional intent). One night they tried to break into the house of V through a window; V awoke and shut the window in their face shouting at them, whereupon they fled. P1 heard steps behind him and saw a person running towards him, who he thought was V following him. In fact, it was P2. According to their agreement, P1 fired at the pursuer but did only cause damage to the clothes of P2. For P1 this was an irrelevant mistake of identity, and the BGH argued that because of the agreement to shoot at anyone following them, P3 was also bound by the conditional intent as to a possibly lethal result. For him, consequently, the same argument applied, because the basic intention of P1 to kill could be attributed to P3 by way of the agreement, and for both of them, the identity of the victim was irrelevant for a charge of attempted murder. However, the BGH also found P2 guilty of the attempted murder of himself, despite the fact that German law at that time did not provide for the criminalisation of harm to oneself, such as suicide. Had P2 tried to kill himself, he would not have committed a crime. The BGH treated the acts of P1 as an impossible attempt vis-à-vis the liability of P2, and to such a &#8211; generally punishable &#8211; attempt P2 could be a party under § 25(2) of the German Criminal Code, because for him, too, the identity of the victim was legally irrelevant. As long as the actions of one principal were within the scope of acts generally foreseen in the common agreement – shooting at pursuers – any mistake or error of one of them that was irrelevant to him would be irrelevant to the others. </p>
<p>For more details and a critique of the decision see my Principles of German Criminal Law, Hart, 2009, p. 166 f.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Judgment: Berrisford v Mexfield Housing Co-operative Ltd [2011] UKSC 52 by Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an article in the Estates Gazette (02 EG 67, 19 Jan 2012) &quot;An supremely unsatisfactory solution&quot; it is suggested that this ruling would not apply to a corporate entity as it cannot, of course, hold a lease for life. Thus, in that case the original rule of Prudential Assurance Co Ltd v London Residuary Body [1992] 2 AC 386, [1992] 3 All ER 504 (HL) would apply creating a periodic tenancy.
A bit of an anomaly. Amy be time for a bit of statutory clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an article in the Estates Gazette (02 EG 67, 19 Jan 2012) &#8220;An supremely unsatisfactory solution&#8221; it is suggested that this ruling would not apply to a corporate entity as it cannot, of course, hold a lease for life. Thus, in that case the original rule of Prudential Assurance Co Ltd v London Residuary Body [1992] 2 AC 386, [1992] 3 All ER 504 (HL) would apply creating a periodic tenancy.<br />
A bit of an anomaly. Amy be time for a bit of statutory clarification.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Case Preview: Progress Property Company Ltd v Moorgarth Group Ltd by Progress Property Co Ltd vs. Moorgarth Group Ltd &#171; Indian Case Laws</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progress Property Co Ltd vs. Moorgarth Group Ltd &#171; Indian Case Laws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [5] http://ukscblog.com/case-preview-progress-property-company-ltd-v-moorgarth-group-ltd [...]</description>
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